Transcript - ABC RN Breakfast with Sally Sara

SALLY SARA, HOST: Legislation aimed at stripping funding from child care centres that fail to meet minimum standards will be introduced to the Federal Parliament today here in Canberra. Child care safety has been pushed to the top of the agenda following a string of shocking allegations of child abuse. In the latest development, lawyers for former child care worker Joshua Dale Brown have told a Melbourne court yesterday they expect the alleged child abuser will be hit with further charges on top of the more than 70 he already faces. Jess Walsh is the Federal Minister for Early Childhood Education and Senator for Victoria. She joined me a short time ago.

SENATOR DR JESS WALSH, MINISTER FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND MINISTER FOR YOUTH: Thanks for having me, Sally.

SARA: Tell me about this legislation that's going to be introduced today. What's in it exactly?

WALSH: We're introducing tough new legislation today, Sally. I think people have been hearing a lot about the safety issues facing children and their families in early childhood education, and this legislation will give us a tough new lever to make sure that children are kept safe in our early learning settings. What it will allow us to do for the first time is withdraw Commonwealth funding from those providers who fail to put child safety ahead of profits.

SARA: And so, what is the threshold there, what sort of incident or systemic incidents would need to happen in a child care centre for the Government to withhold funding?

WALSH: Yes, we are looking at serious repeat offenders here when it comes to breaching our National Quality Standard when it comes to serious incidents and when it comes to complaints. So, services and providers who are failing to meet the standards that children need and the families, that families expect, they're the services and providers that we're looking at with this legislation.

SARA: To be clear, are we talking about centres failing to meet expectations or will funding only be withheld if there's been an actual incident there?

WALSH: So the legislation gives us the ability to put all of that information and for the secretary of my department to make a decision to identify those repeat offenders, those providers, those services that persistently and consistently fail to meet standards and fail to keep our children safe. From there, there are a number of steps that the legislation gives us. We can start by issuing a show-cause notice as to why that provider, that service, should maintain their Commonwealth funding through the Child Care Subsidy. And we can make that show-cause notice public. We think that is a really strong step that will drive change. At that point, we think that those providers who are doing the wrong thing regularly will make the investments that they need to keep our children safe.

SARA: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that transparency for families who are trying to make decisions about the safety of their infants, of their kids, in the middle of all of this. What kind of information will be available so that parents can make an informed decision?

WALSH: Yeah, that's right, Sally, and I do want to reassure families that the vast majority of early childhood and education providers are meeting and exceeding our National Quality Standard, over 90 per cent. We are talking here about a minority of repeat offenders, a real minority of providers here. If families are in the services of those repeat offenders, they will be notified when we issue show-cause notices.

SARA: What about the public generally? If I've got a child and I'm looking at that centre, will I know that something's happened there?

WALSH: Yes, those notices will be public. But you're also raising a bigger issue there, Sally, about the next tranche of work that is underway as well, which is the child safety package that we're putting together with education ministers who are meeting in just a couple of weeks' time. So there are measures beyond this legislation as well. When education ministers come together, we want to announce the first-ever nationwide register of early childhood educators. We want to do work on mandatory child safe training, and we also want to provide much more transparent information to parents, so they know what the quality is and whether there are any issues in the services that they're thinking about or currently sending their children to.

SARA: So, at the moment, can parents see the quality assessments of child care centres?

WALSH: Yes. What they can see is the national quality rating. They can see that.

SARA: Can you see the reports of inspections?

WALSH: You can't see at the moment, Sally, compliance issues that may have been taken against your provider. And we think that families have the right to know if there are issues in their services. That's one of the big pieces of work that we're doing with the states and territories. And I do want to say, Sally, we're working shoulder to shoulder with the states and territories on what we see as being a really strong and significant package to bring forward on quality and safety in early learning.

SARA: So, we're talking, I guess, with an assumption here that with information, parents can make an informed choice or decision, but in plenty of parts of the country, particularly in regional areas, there is no other centre. Is this part of the problem – the demand exceeds the supply of child care? What do parents do if there are concerns about their only centre?

WALSH: So, if we get this right, Sally, this is going to drive more investment in quality, safe early learning. We are giving ourselves a big stick to wield here in being able to stop providers from opening more services, and indeed to be able to shut down existing services. We don't expect that it will get to that because we expect, as soon as those providers get those show cause notices, that they will make the investment that children and families need to provide that quality and safe early learning.

SARA: Is there a concern, though, that investors and companies might not want to come into this sector, given there's going to be more regulation and compliance costs money for child care operators?

WALSH: Well, there needs to be more regulation, Sally. I think we've been really open that the current sector settings are not strong enough to keep children safe. We've seen that in the really distressing reports that we've had. That's why strong action is needed. And there are really two sets of actions we're taking. One is the legislation that we're introducing this week into the Parliament today, and that will allow us to withdraw Commonwealth funding from those providers who don't do the right thing. And the second part of the action is the big package of reforms we're working on with the states and territories.

SARA: Labor's already had control in the previous term of government, three years – why weren't these measures put in place during the previous term?

WALSH: I think we've been really open, Sally, that more needed to be done over a period of time.

SARA: Did the Government fall short in your view?

WALSH: I think we've been open that more needed to be done, and we've had recommendations for many years, almost a decade, that have sat there, and we are expediting those recommendations. One of the recommendations that's been there for a while is that we do need to know where our early childhood educators are actually working. That's why we want to develop the first-ever nationwide register of early childhood educators.

SARA: When will that come into effect?

WALSH: So, we're having our next meeting, a stand-alone meeting, an urgent meeting of education ministers from around the country. We'll have more to say about that then. What we're working towards is getting agreement that all states and territories will participate in that nationwide register. We do need information about where our educators are working. We do need to know whether there are red flags that are being raised.

SARA: But just to bring you back to the question, when will that be in place?

WALSH: So, Sally, we have a meeting in just a couple of weeks' time. We are working really hard on that register. We'll have –

SARA: By the end of the year, do you think?

WALSH: We'll have more to say on that, Sally, in a couple of weeks.  It is an absolutely urgent item that we are all working on.

SARA: Jess Walsh, Federal Minister for Early Childhood Education and Senator for Victoria, thank you very much for your time this morning.

WALSH: Thanks, Sally.