Interview with 4CA AM Murray Jones

MURRAY JONES [HOST]: Well, having lived in the regions for quite a few years, thankfully I had the opportunity to go to university, studied law actually, many, many years ago. But I remember hearing a statistic in recent times; of the people you may walk past, if you're walking down Circular Quay in Sydney, one in two of the people that you pass, at least one in two, have a university degree or at least some form of tertiary education. You go further out, further out to the regions, the numbers get down to just one in five with a university degree or some form of tertiary education. It may even be even lower in some areas. So, particularly in the regional areas, getting further education facilities and opportunities, life changing for Australians. My special guest this morning, Assistant Minister for Education, also Assistant Minister for Regional Development, Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. He's got quite the portfolio. Senator Anthony Chisholm joins me from Innisfail. Good morning, Anthony. How are you today?

ANTHONY CHISHOLM [ASSISTANT MINISTER]: Good, Murray, good to be with you again. And, yeah, a really telling introduction there as well about the challenges that many people in regional Australia face.

JONES: Yes, certainly when it comes to education. Look, you know, when we talk about, you know, obviously with the Queensland election, a lot of issues of crime, a lot of issues with respect to dysfunction that have come up, the better education, the better you are involved in society and doing things regardless of your age, you're more likely to be staying off the street, not committing crime, and of course, negotiating this world when it comes to misinformation, disinformation, you know, a good education makes such a difference. So, the reason why you're here and the reason why we're talking to you, pretty exciting stuff, actually. Cassowary Coast Innisfail, the Cassowary Coast University Centre, has just been opened. The Innisfail facility, part of twelve new regional university study hubs that have been rolled out, Anthony.

CHISHOLM: Yeah, really exciting and real pleasure for me to be here today to help open the hub. It's already got 30 students who are studying here and for me that's 30 people who might not have taken on a higher education degree if they didn't have access to the support that these regional university study hubs provide. So, full credit to the Cassowary Coast Council for having the vision. They've got a partner in Vocational Partnerships Group who are working with them to make this hub a reality and I'm expecting that it will achieve outstanding results. And those young people growing up in Innisfail who aspire to a higher education degree, what this hub means is that they don't have to leave town to achieve it. They can stay in their local community, they can have their support network around them of family and friends. And the exciting thing is that the next nurse or teacher that we desperately need in this part of the world can stay and study locally, which is fantastic.

JONES: Now, it's not a satellite university as such, I believe it's not necessarily aligned with any particular university, but at the same time, it's kind of aligned with all of them I understand.

CHISHOLM: Yeah, that's correct. So, this is led by council and obviously they've got the partnership with the Vocational Partnerships Group as well. But the beauty of these hubs is they've been established around the country and there's more than 40 operating around regional Australia at the moment, is you can walk into them, you can meet students and they'll be studying at universities all across the country. And what they get from the hub is that support, that mentoring, that help in navigating, and a high percentage of these people studying are first in family. As you know, Murray, universities can quite often be daunting places when you first turn up or you first engage.

JONES: Sure.

CHISHOLM: So, having those people there to support, provide that network to ensure they can navigate and achieve their best results is really important. And that's what these regional university study hubs are providing around the country. And it's exciting that that'll now be an opportunity for students from around the Innisfail area.

JONES: And look, I understand the statistics, more than 20 per cent of the Innisfail population identifying as First Nations people. So, I guess a great opportunity also for First Nations people to get involved in this particular hub.

CHISHOLM: That's right. And one of the things that these hubs have been really successful at is getting out and attending the local high schools and talking to those younger students to give them that hope and ambition that they can actually study at university. It doesn't mean you've got to move away from home. And I think it just opens those eyes and gives people a real incentive to know that they can do - they can study, they can achieve, but they can do it locally. And that, I think particularly with the cost of living at the moment and the challenge that it would be for someone moving away from home, I think having that opportunity to do that locally is tremendous.

JONES: Yeah, it certainly is. And look, you know, we've heard it many times over the years, some of the biggest issues certainly for Australians when it comes to elections, the things that they consider – education opportunities and obviously health, climate change, but particularly education, so important there. And look, you know, from a personal perspective, when it comes to identifying misinformation, disinformation and having an objective view on the world, I think education is just so important. And I'm sure I've mentioned to you before, my other half, she's actually a schoolteacher as well. Can we touch on something? Even though you're the Federal Assistant Minister for Education, there's been a lot of talk about school lunches as part of the packages that have been put forward by various political parties. So, there's been a bit of discussion there. Just in general terms, what do you think, particularly for primary school, for schools to actually be providing school lunches for students?

CHISHOLM: Yeah, it's interesting, Murray, and I – as you're aware, I'm Assistant Minister for Education, so I get to regularly engage with the schooling system around the country. My brother is actually a groundsman at a state school closer to Brisbane as well –

JONES: Okay.

CHISHOLM: – so I regularly get updates from him about what he's up to. But the thing that I've noticed is that so many schools around the country are already doing this type of thing, whether it be breakfast programs, whether it be lunch for children. And I think it's just reflective of the times that we're in around people doing it tough. Parents are really busy, and there often are schools that are fitting the bridge. So, I can understand why the state thinks that this is a good program to implement across the country and make it more universal and accessible so that all schools have the opportunity to do it. But I think it would be fair to say, and I'm sure you'd get this if you talk to other primary schools, that there's already something similar being offered across breakfast and lunch for most schools. So, extending that and operating it universally and making sure it's accessible to everyone, I think is a good announcement by the state government.

JONES: And, you know, I often do hear it from my partner, you know, just basic things of having food for lunch, even having food the night before, having a clean uniform, all the textbooks, all the facilities and bits and pieces. Maybe not textbook these days, but I guess having those education facilities, you know, having them sorted out for kids is just so important so they can take that step and actually be very much involved in education. So, I'm sure when it comes to those lunches, that's something we'll be hearing about a lot more. Great to talk to you about this particular one. It's the Cassowary Coast University Centre in Innisfail. Nice for you to be spending some time in the region and thank you so much for your time this morning, Anthony Chisholm. Cheers.

CHISHOLM: Thanks, Murray. Good to be with you again.