Interview - ABC Afternoon Briefing with Tom Lowrey
TOM LOWREY, HOST: Now, while the government wants to run on its support for Medicare, some in the Opposition have criticised the way the government is selling its pledge as a rerun of Medi-scare. To discuss this and more, let's bring in the Youth Minister, Anne Aly. Minister, thanks for joining Afternoon Briefing and thanks for bearing through some technical difficulties too.
MINISTER ANNE ALY: That's ok. It's just another day.
LOWREY: And we're already hearing GPs saying this is welcome, this Medicare pledge, but it doesn't mean they're about to start bulk billing. Their costs are simply too high. What would you say to them?
ALY: Look, I think that the overwhelming evidence that we've seen, and I know that the Health Minister, Mark Butler, has done extensive consultations on this, is that this is good policy, it's welcome policy, and first and foremost it's about ensuring that all Australians have access to the healthcare they need and they don't put off seeing a doctor because of the cost of seeing a doctor. And secondly, it's about getting Medicare back on track to what its original purpose is, is that you should have access to the services you need, the health services you need, not based on your credit card. So, all the information that we've got is that this is good policy and that we're confident that it will be taken up by the majority of bulk billing clinics or of practitioners, sorry, practitioner clinics by 2030.
LOWREY: Yeah, we've been told to expect 90 per cent bulk billing by 2030. Is that figure a commitment from Labor or is it a hope?
ALY: I think it's based on projections of and – projections of what the uptake would be. These are really good incentives for practitioners and practices to bulk bill beyond what they already bulk bill, which is people on a concession card, for children and for pensioners and low-income families. This is to ensure that every Australian, regardless of what their bank balance is, has access to the medical services that they need. So, those projections are based on a level of confidence that this is the kind of incentive that will make a difference to practitioners and practices.
LOWREY: Anne Aly, your home state of WA is in the midst of a state election campaign. We saw both campaigns launch their campaigns over the weekend. Are you worried that voters in WA might be happy to back Roger Cook, who seems like a reasonably popular Premier, but willing to back Peter Dutton when the federal election rolls around?
ALY: Well, there's always this kind of talk, and there's two schools of thought. One is that the state election impacts on the federal election, and the other one is that, you know, Australians are discerning enough voters to make a difference between the two. And, you know, both are true to some extent and in their own ways. Look, I think that West Australians know that Labor, both federally and state, is good for them. We've got a strong economy here in WA, we've got low unemployment, we've got a state government that has really managed the budget well. We've got really strong infrastructure. And you know, we've got a Federal Government in Labor that has worked closely with the WA Government in the interests of Western Australia and a Prime Minister in Anthony Albanese who has made WA a focus. He's been to Australia more times than I can, to Western Australia more times than I can count. I think it's about 30 times or getting up to 30 times now, and has demonstrated to West Australians that he's not just eastern states focused.
LOWREY: Labor in WA at a state level. Is it something of a high watermark? Of course, the Former Premier Mark McGowan knocked the Liberals down. So, I think, is it six lower house seats in that state? Are you concerned the Liberals might take some momentum federally, even out of a close defeat in WA? They don't necessarily need to win this election; they just need to come somewhat close.
ALY: Well, the Liberals have a long way to go to, to take, take government here in Western Australia. I think they have to win something like 20 seats. So, it's impossible to see them doing that, to be quite frank. You know, I think the extent to which they will claw back some of the seats that they lost at the last election will be seen over as the WA election continues. But I think also the West Australian Liberals have shown that they're just really not ready to govern to be honest. They've had a whole lot of different scandals with one of the, with some of the, the people that they've pre-selected. They've had a challenge from Basil Zempilas against Libby Mettam, and I don't think they've demonstrated to the West Australian people that they are in a position to govern and that they're ready to govern.
LOWREY: I just want to touch on your portfolio area of child care quickly and early childhood education. Is there more to come from Labor on child care ahead of the election or the Activity Test changes we saw past Parliament in the past few weeks it for Labor ahead of that poll?
ALY: Well, I'll just say it wasn't just the Activity Test. The Activity Test, yes, did pass Parliament and for your viewers, the Activity Test was introduced by the Liberal Government in 2018. And the purpose of it, the stated purpose of it, was to incentivise women, in particular, to return to work. We know that that didn't happen, and rather, what the Activity Test did was lock out children, and particularly children who would benefit the most from early childhood education and care, lock them out of the system. The Liberal and Coalition voted against our changes to the Activity Test, which demonstrates where they sit in terms of those transformational benefits of early childhood education and care, but also in terms of cost-of-living relief, because removing the Activity Test would benefit around 70,000 families with real cost-of-living relief. But that's not the only thing that we're doing. We've also got a building education fund, Building Early Education Fund. That's a billion dollars that we're putting towards building the services that families and children need, particularly in areas where there are no services. So, outer suburban, rural and regional and in vulnerable communities. This is all part of the big package, of course, starting with bringing down the cost of early childhood education, raising the wages of early childhood educators and getting more early childhood educators in to ensure kind of a stable workforce as a foundation and all working towards our vision of an early childhood education and care sector that is universal, and that recognises that this is an essential service that families and parents rely on.
LOWREY: And before I let you go, I just want to touch on some of what we've seen in the Middle East over the past few days. Israel has been heavily critical of a ceremony Hamas put on as it returned the bodies of four Israeli hostages late last week. What did you make of those images, and how concerned are you about the ceasefire holding?
ALY: I'm really concerned. I think what this demonstrates, what we know, is that it is particularly fragile. The ceasefire is particularly fragile. Peace is over there is particularly fragile. What we want to see is this first phase of the ceasefire to run smoothly and continue and then transition into the second phase of the ceasefire with a goal towards everlasting peace through a two-state solution. That's Australia's position. We've always supported a ceasefire, so of course, we are keen to see that the conditions of the ceasefire continue to be met and that that ceasefire can transition to the second phase. So, it is concerning. It is concerning that there are, I guess, challenges to the ceasefire continuing, but again, underscoring the fragility of it.
LOWREY: Anne Aly, thanks so much for joining the Afternoon Briefing.
ALY: Thank you.